Best State for Illegal Immigrants Competition w/Poll

Mother,

Then why are all our official documents here in AZ, including voting ballots printed in english and spanish? Why is speaking spanish nessessary in our welfare offices? Did you know that the state was sued by a hispanic group because state workers were not talking to work crews in spanish. The state lost and had to force Americans to learn a foreign laguage. That one, and some other lunacy led to the law about mandatory e-verify that hispanic groups along with some business's sued the state over, and the state won for once. We pass a law so that a police officer can actually ask a person for those documents that you list and the illegal community starts protesting.

Such is life in AZ, and we blame the feds all the way back to whatever group decided not to enforce the law.

Joe: you have exactly proved my point. They are able to make a living. Why is this? If they are illegal aliens, why are they making a living? Your system allows them to find jobs yet you don't want them to be there working those jobs. Who has the critical piece of the puzzle here? The person that provides the work or the man that is looking for work? What a lot of us are trying to say is stop allowing contractors, subcontrators, trucking companies, farmers, manufacturers, restauranteurs, and any other place of business to slide under your radar. It keeps you from having to patrol the streets and making people show you their papers. Businesses are in one place for the main part. Are you saying you would RATHER stop people on the street that you suspect are here illegally instead of making sure businesses have correct hiring practices in place?

Meonline: It sounds like you are angry that people must learn to speak a foreign language, yet that is a responsible thing to do if their job is to provide help to a nonenglish speaking population. Either provide a translation service or learn the basic rudiments of the language. At hospitals we provide translation and we all try to learn enough to help. I know enough to basically help someone in the hallway as they negotiate the medical system. It's part of my job to be responsible enough to help my customers. I do not know enough to understand the detail that physicians and nurses need to know when a life is at stake. We have translations services for this although sometimes it's not required if family members who are bilingual can help us out with symptoms, etc.

I also deal in a smaller way with illegal aliens due to the migrant workers who go through the United States every year. Recently a large business was investigated to make sure that there were no illegal aliens working for them and they were cleared. All their workers had correct papers. You cannot work at a hospital without correct paperwork, no matter who you are. Businesses can be audited or licenses can be pulled. If your main complaint is that you can't control your businesses, then that is another problem entirely and it will never be addressed by the Arizonian "show your papers" law.

you have exactly proved my point. They are able to make a living. Why is this? If they are illegal aliens, why are they making a living? Your system allows them to find jobs yet you don't want them to be there working those jobs.

Because people like you get torqued when ICE does their job. The pro-illegal crowd blames the employers that hire illegals. And they should. But they also seem to live in this fantasy world that while ICE should bust the employer and shut them down...it's somehow "inhumane" to deport the illegal workers who are also included in that bust.

Here's a prime example:

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20080512/NEWS/80512012/Claims-of-ID-fraud-lead-to-largest-raid-in-state-history

Here's a video of the same raid actually BLAMING ICE for shutting down Agriprocessors for employing illegals and deporting illegals who crossed this border illegally.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDnSi80w7OI

I love the way people blame ICE and try to play on the emotions of people with this video. Not a peep about the atrocious working conditions at Agriprocessors, the fake ID's used by illegal criminals, the meth lab found in Agriprocessors put up by a couple illegals and the weapons they brought to work.

Sorry, pro-illegals...You can't have it both ways. You can't try to stick it to big business and then coddle the people who had zero respect for our laws and crossed the border illegally.

Don't assume I blame ICE when agri-processors are shut down. I don't. It's a travesty what conditions illegal aliens work in because the company knows they can get by with it.

Big business relies on this type of silence from anyone who is in this country illegally or is trying to keep their work status and knows they have to have a job to stay legal. Companies are the exploiter here, not the other way around.

Stop the problem at the source of the problem. Working illegally is the employer-generated problem. Drugs is both the problem of dealers and the problem of American users. Go after both.

I assure you that hypocrisy is not my intent and I also assure you that my bleeding liberal heart goes to making sure that jobs are for Americans and legal registered work visas. I am not easily manipulated by 'but if we don't make money illegally we will die."

I'm a mother. I've heard "but I want to do it" and I do know how to say "well, you can't do it that way. Think of a way to get what you want without taking unacceptable shortcuts."

My heart goes out to both the illegal aliens who very much want the same benefits and chances for their families that Americans have as well as to the Americans that live in the border states that find themselves overrun by violence that accompanies drugs and poverty. It's a terrible fact that just a distance of a few feet either gives us benefits or give us a bare existence in a country where corruption is an everyday occurrence.

Just stop hating them for dreaming and trying to hard to have a better life. Find ways to help, not new ways to hate.

Don't assume I blame ICE when agri-processors are shut down. I don't. It's a travesty what conditions illegal aliens work in because the company knows they can get by with it.

I don't assume anything. But I also don't see you taking a stand one way or another regarding whether or not you support ICE for doing their job.

Companies are the exploiter here, not the other way around.

I would disagree that illegal aliens aren't responsible for some of their own exploitation. But we do agree that companies are responsible as well. How do you suggest these businesses be held accountable if ICE doesn't do raids? Nany Pelosi and Eric Holder both say ICE raids are "un-American". Your thoughts?

My heart goes out to both the illegal aliens

You say you're a mother. Does your heart also go out to your children when they blatantly disrespect authority for their own personal gain? Do you reward them for it as well?

Just stop hating them for dreaming and trying to hard to have a better life.

I'm second generation American. My grandparents were dirt poor peasants that were essentially illiterate. 2 of them came from a communist country where not only did they have to learn to read and write in secret, they had to learn to read and write english in secret. Why did they go to all this trouble? Because they didn't just want to come to America. They wanted to BE Americans and not exploit all the country has to offer for their own personal gain. They wanted to come in the front door and hold their head high.

I don't 'hate' illegals. And your use of the word is a transparent, weak attempt at a guilt trip. I just have zero respect for any one who makes a mockery of our rule of law and the legal process for immigration, minimalizing the effort so many law abiding, legal immigrants went through to come through the front door.

I suppose I could use your own tactic against you and say "Stop hating my grandparent for setting the standard all immigrants should live by if they are dreaming of a better life."

http://www.bluelineradio.com/hiringharboring.html

http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2008/02/18/story3.html

http://lashawnbarber.com/archives/2004/12/29/proposition/

Mother,

You stated in you first post that illegals going to YOUR area must conform to certain standards. Why can YOUR area demand documents and not mine? Cute.

Am I angry that my state was sued, yes. How incredibly stupid for contractors to send out work crews without even bothering to find out if their own workers speak the language of the USA. Easy, minority contractors get priority in bids on state contracts. Now, with the e-verify law is is much harder for them to cater to the illegal crowds. Guess what, they started hiring more that just illegals too, it has been a win win for the legal citizens.

You did hear about the raid on the meat processign plant. The news was pretty loud with stories of how prices would go through the roof, no one would want to work there, the usual bs. Today all those jobs are filled, the bulk by younger black men. They applied in droves. Sounds like a win win to me. Americans that needed a job are now working. It will be the same with everything else.

Pat N: If you don't hate Mexicans, then you are not who I speaking about. Some people do, they pick a race and just... hate them. Who knows why. And my point about my heart going out to the illegal aliens speaks only to how horrible their lives must be to risk death to come to the United States to work. I am not for letting them continue working in the United States illegally. I am for fixing the problem which is going after the employers.

Meonline: I stated that they had to show ID to get a job in my area. We don't stop people on the street and ask for their papers. And I was sure that I thought I stated I knew how to say no. My children didn't get slack. I did not reward them for misdeeds or overlook them taking shortcuts. Same with my foster children. I just loved them and tried to provide opportunities. Don't make the mistake thinking that liberals are pushovers. We just try to tolerate differences and try to accept people for their personal choices that do NOT affect others, such as sexual orientation. We like to let people do their own thing but there are always limits. I'm only against stopping people in the street and asking for their papers. What I WILL give you is that the adjustment to the law tried very hard to keep racial profiling out of the picture. It's going to be hard on the police to try to straddle this fence. If your state is going broke like my state, it will be hard to find all the resources you will need.

Joe: as always you make me think. :) I read someones piece that seemed totally disgusting at the time but it did make me think. The premise was that there was food out for the pets inside the house, yet the doors were left open and wild animals were coming in to steal the pet food. So the house owners hired people to stay awake all night to grab the wild animals and throw them back outside. The wild animals were starving so again and again they tried different entrances to get to the food. Other than the silliness of comparing illegal aliens to wild animals, it did make me think of the problems. Is this a good analogy? It was a thinking analogy but something does seem off. I'm still considering it.

Mother,

Thanks for the clarification. In AZ there are about 500,000 people that feel they do not have to show papers for ANY reason. Their leaders have told them not to carry any papers at all. No papers, no way to verify status.

I would not say that all liberals are push overs. There are liberals in my family/friends group that are far more anti-illegal than I am. It all depends on how close you are to the problem areas. I am not a shoot first and sort out the bad guys later. I want to enforce the laws equally for every person. I believe that if the US government attempted to enforce the laws we have on the books today, there would be protests, probably more violent than we have had so far. Enforcement is what the illegals do not want, it is what those who cater to them does not want.

My parents have chickens. There is no way that a coyote could get to them because of the fences, 2 layers with oleander hedges. There is a bald eagle that came by, and a very large hawk that comes by, and they do not go for the chickens. Reason, a pygmy goat lives with them that chases off the large raptors, and we have trees planted that make it hard to make a strike. So it can be done.

All right, all right. (sigh)...This pains me, but I'll volunteer my state. Iowa.

I personally support AZ, so I would respectfully ask that the money AZ previously spent on the illegals, go toward helping we Iowans who support them, to relocate to somewhere a little less barren, a little more warm and with better resaurants. =). I personally, wouldn't mind if they kicked in a little to move me to Cocoa Beach.

The illegal criminals will like it here. A lot of wide open places. Multiple meat packing plants. And just think! They get to toughen up a little by having temperatures hover in the -20 range 3 months out of the year!

Joe, Texas (home of WHO?) had how many years of presidency status all together?

And you use the less than two years of President Obama to send him the problems?

Is this how it works? "We got these problems you didn't create but we're going to blame you, and send our problems to you" what the hell? phhhffffftttt

Joe-1701833--

I completely do support Arizona in what they have done. I only say Cali because well they are already overrun, plus the officials there are banning their own people from going to AZ among other stupid boycott tactics. Ya know I wonder just how much the rest of the country would have to sink into CA for their debt and serious financial problems and I am sure AZ would have to chip in and CA is pissing all over everyone else. We scratch their backs, they piss on everyone else.

Screw that.

However, truth be told I want them ALL to go. ALL illegal adults, they can take their families all of them every single one of them including the anchor babies, shove them all back over the border to their own countries and be done with it.

Blue, your frontal lobotomy took very well - your surgeon should be proud.

I don't think Spanish words on a box of crackers has ever made me "really angry".

However racism makes me "really angry" . . . and kind of sad

I'm racist alright! Yes against my own mom. For treating me like a 3rd or 4th class citizen. I hated her because she was white and beat us beyond what was necessary for disipline. Thank God and Jesus Christ there is this wonderful thing called forgiveness.

The issue at hand is that we need to take care of American Citizens first and foremost. As a Disabled Army Veteran. I can tell you a lot about reverse racism in the services. But I won't go there. What you fail to understand is that we here in Louisiana did not ask these people to come here. We had people here who needed those jobs. They were illegals. And they aren't allowed to be in the USA. They should have been deported.

As it is many US citizens' assumed we here in Louisiana are ignorant and lazy. Well I have news for Mother earth I have and education and if you bothered to read or listen to the citizen in Venice, LA in the news about the Oil Explosion and the the ultimate spill. The fishermen stated they want to use their own boats and help clean up the spill. They want to earn the money for cleaning up. Not to just stand and hold out their hands. Like most of you think! So put that in your pipe and smoke it! Mrs Lobotomy.

Everyone in this world is racist. I happen to have a Hispanic daughter in law and she sees my point clearer than you. And she's legal and feels the borders need closing too. Too many people and not enought jobs, go figure? And Pres Obammy couldn't help find jobs if you paid him. If any one needs a Lobotomy it's him. He lied on his promises. And hes take away any cost of living raises for Veterans and Senior citizens. Prices went up on everything. He just doesn't know because he lives high and mighty on Americas budget.

Well Mr. Disabled Veteran; who probably gets a monthly living wage and medical benefits and doesn't work; is convinced he's suffering from reverse racism; hates the white mother for beatings beyond what was necessary for discipline but has forgiven her; has a legal hispanic daughter-in-law who understands his point of view on border closing; lives in Louisiana and didn't ask those people to go there to get jobs; is mad because fisherman wanted money to clean up the oil spill but didn't get it;

I think your best point is President Obama "lied on his promises and he's taken away any cost of living raises for verterans and senior citizens."

So you are pissed that your money didn't increase and turned it into a diatribe against people who working jobs that your aren't.

You're wacked out bud. Take your meds and wait for that check to come in.

My disabled brother is a disabled vet, my best friend is a disabled vet and both of them are the kindest people. They don't expect a pass to be a jerk just because they are disabled.

Ahhh.... just read your bio - you're female? That did surprise me. Well, other than my apologies for not knowing your gender, my statement stands.

Well Mr. Disabled Veteran; who probably gets a monthly living wage and medical benefits and doesn't work

As the mom of a newly enlisted Army soldier, I find the above statement thoroughy sickening. You're speaking to an individual that gave up a good portion of their life and risked the ultimate sacrifice to protect your freedom to spew venom.

You take no issue with coddling criminals that are thoroughly disrespect our laws, apply for our entitlement programs, drain our health care resources and reproduce in numbers larger than our own citizenship, yet you have the audacity to belittle and American soldier who risked their life defending this country and was injured in the line of duty for their VA benefits. Walk a mile in their shoes, babe. If you have the backbone that is. I suspect you would crumble like a stale cookie during basic training.

Disgusting.

Blue, Mother,

As I see it the "president" has done exactly what I expected he would do. I looked at his past, his voting record and where he learned politics, Chicago. No mysteries about what he is all about.

Pat, it's ok. I just know that Blue has a problem. What her disability is I have no idea, my disable vet brother was a paratrooper (shattered leg and knee) and my friend is disabled (shrapnel in head and neck from mortar explosion). They have never spouted the kind of hatred that Blue has. They are kind and generous. I think they've seen the worst of humanity and are spending the rest of their lives trying to make those thoughts go away.

Blue's comments from time to time are ... different. Other than that, I think she is trying hard to make it in life like we all are, but I don't agree with her racist attitudes. I think maybe she is trying to work them out and I hope she does.

Yes, that is the best place to send them. :)

Just to clarify, the new law does not give the state of Arizona the right to deport, just to ask for the documents that every immigrant to the US is required to carry by US law. Those that do not have proof they have the right to be in this country would be turned over to US immigration officials.