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If You Had a Third Choice in Elections Would You Take it - Poll

Sat May 8, 2010 6:24 PM EDT
politics, elections, choice, third
By PivotalAxis

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If You Had a Third Choice in Elections Would You Take it?

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  • 96932
    Yes
    63%
  • 96933
    No
    38%

VoteTotal Votes: 16

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Personally, I believe there is more of an underlying sentiment across the Nation which points to a growing disappointment with both parties. I does not matter whether it is the Democratic Party or the Republican Party, they both fail to represent their constituents when it comes to making decisions, which will and does affect them. Currently we just about have no choice, other then to select between what we feel will be the lesser of two evils.

I would love to see a poll that asks if you had a third choice and it made sense would you take it.

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ingenjon

Absolutely. The Dems and Reps are obviously gridlocked, and neither party has the nerve to do what the majority of Americans elect them to do. Not to mention, both partys have been bought and paid for by big business.

  • 2 votes
Reply#1 - Sat May 8, 2010 6:52 PM EDT
PivotalAxis

oops sorry I did not realize the poll had not been saved.

That is what I see also, how the representation is going to those with the money to pay for it. Not exactly a Republic anymore ;)

  • 1 vote
#1.1 - Sat May 8, 2010 6:59 PM EDT
UNA_Lion

Voted, "yes," though it really depends upon what the third choice is.

  • 2 votes
#1.2 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
ingenjon

All thats needed is One person with the common sense to do whats right, and the guts to take everyone else on. Ross Perot could've done it, but he got spooked by threats and got out before jumping back in again after he lost all momentum. You can have a large movement like the tea party, but without a credible leader, it just becomes a chaotic joke.

  • 2 votes
#1.3 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:14 PM EDT
PivotalAxis

I have not heard Ross Perot's name in a very long time... hmmm, I was pretty young at the time and did not do as much research back then... I do recall some good ideas coming out of his camp though.

Same with Ron Paul. just keep it simple and have some straight up common sense. Above all else listen to the people.

BTW here is a cartoon I think still applies today, just in general regarding the US American political landscape as a whole.

http://www.democracyforamerica.com/blog_posts/21514

    #1.4 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:31 PM EDT
    creed

    If a third party would be a consensus-maker: a party that promoted and was able to force (via their mandates) mid-seeking policies across party lines, where moderates could discuss real politics with long term benefits for America without the constant noise of the two, fringe elements (tea and lib) barking on each their side line - then I would definitely say yes.

    If it's just another ideological flavor adding to the noise I'd say to hell with it.

    • 1 vote
    #1.5 - Sat May 8, 2010 10:50 PM EDT
    Judy Ostrom

    I think they ought to just eliminte the "parties" all together...I vote based on issues that are important to me definately not all Rep or Dem and anyone who votes straight party is just ignorant.

      #1.6 - Sun May 9, 2010 11:14 PM EDT
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      jtallon

      I don't view my vote as trying to pick a winner. I view my vote as a statement about what I believe, and the direction I believe government should go.

      If there's a candidate from a third party that does a better job of representing my beliefs than the major party candidates, then that's where my vote will go. Sometimes there's one in the race. Sadly, often there is not.

        Reply#2 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:03 PM EDT
        ScienceGuy-356641

        Silly question. It would obviously depend on the qualifications and ideology of all 3 candidates. So-called third party candidates already exist, so this scenario is really nothing novel.

          Reply#3 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:18 PM EDT
          PivotalAxis

          While true, they rarely get the funding required to compete against those who, do have strong lobbies fundraising for them. They also do not get the media coverage to get them noticed where their stance on issues are well understood.

          Perhaps it will come down to how a 3rd party candidate works to get their name out there.

            #3.1 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
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            The OttO Show

            So the question is, do we want to choose between the lesser of three evils?

            People are ALWAYS disenchanted with the parties. But...we have a two party system. So the question really is - if you had a chance to waste your vote and screw up the electoral process, would you?

              Reply#4 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:35 PM EDT
              ingenjon

              It cant be any more screwed up than it already is.

                #4.1 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:41 PM EDT
                PivotalAxis

                In the electoral process the vote would need to be cast based on the will of the people, this would include a win by a third party. It is not new to American politics, I am asking because currently independents do lead in the party polls.

                It may very well come down to the lesser of three evils, but I believe it needs to come down to how Americans view their candidates and what they should be demanding from them.

                Personally I would like to see candidates who hold open meetings to go over issues and negotiate a consensus at a street level. It would be nice to know I can meet with my representative on a regular basis for serious discussions, and not just for a photo op either.

                I do not consider city council meetings a town hall meeting, nor do I consider a candidate holding these just prior to an election and then stopping them once elected, genuinely interested in what the people have to say.

                • 1 vote
                #4.2 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:45 PM EDT
                ingenjon

                Yes we tend to be ruled by Two partys, but it hasnt always been that way. Usually a new party comes along that bumps off the lesser of the Three evils that cant seem to come to grips with what the people want. We're way past due for something like that.

                  #4.3 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:52 PM EDT
                  The OttO Show

                  Yes it can be screwed up more than it already is and that is usually the case when there is a third party sucking votes out of a close race, often costing the likely winner to actually lose. Two terrible words sums this up: Al Franken.

                  People need to bone up on their history - the US political system has always been a two party system. Describe when a party was 'bumped off'.

                  Joe - independents outnumber Republicans and outnumber Democrats - but they are not Independents as in a party - they are independents as in unaffiliated or uncommitted and these wonderful folks are the ones that propelled Barack Obama into office so excuse me if I don't hold them in as high regard as you do.

                  If you want to fix politics then we need to start empowering local governments where you can participate in meetings with elected leaders, often you can even call them at their homes/cells or have e-mail conversations with them. The problem with politics is too big and powerful of a federal government and no amount of parties are going to change that. Electing the more conservative viable candidates is the only way to combat that and then reducing the size and scope of the feds and handing some of it over to cities and states is the way to empower voters.

                  Supporting election spoilers and fringe parties does nothing for our democracy by make a mockery of it. We vote to change the direction of the country and third parties don't change the direction of the country except in the way their supporters don't want it to change.

                    #4.4 - Sat May 8, 2010 8:42 PM EDT
                    ingenjon

                    I havent seen the whigs lately, or Federalist party. Granted, thats a stretch, but the fact remains, the Two partys representing the citizens of this country have ruined our economy and spent us into oblivion. Our Grandkids will be paying their bills for Gods sake. We're at War, I think, at least our kids are getting killed in several Country's. Healthcareis pathetic, unless youre independently wealthy. Schools are a sad joke. Crime is rampant. We're fighting a war on terror but our borders only stop the legal. Now, its bad to wear a flag on Cinco de Mayo, and illegal Aliens are in our streets protesting their rights. We cant seem to pump our own oil, so we have British Petroleum do it, and what a fine job theyre doing. No, I dont buy your line about independents sucking anything out of any race. This Country is ripe for a real change. It happens. So if youre happy with the direction these clowns have taken us, stay the course, but the reality is that we cant keep going the direction theyve taking us. Its not sustainable. I intend to vote for anything but the incumbent.

                    • 3 votes
                    #4.5 - Sat May 8, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
                    The OttO Show

                    Can you show a prominent race where there was a genuine three party contest between Whigs, Republicans and Democrats? I don't think so but even if you could, could you find one where the Democrat didn't win handily?

                    Republicans were never a third party - they became the second major party right out of the gate as leaders and others left the Whig party (and Democrats did very well during this transition). Various factions of the Whig party hung on for a while as failed third party's but sorry, there is no example in American history supporting what you propose.

                    The two parties have done damage but they should also get credit for leading us into the position of having the greatest standard of living in the history of the world. Again, the problem isn't with the party system, it's with the size and scope of government. Conservative Republicans are the only viable means of addressing that, even if they fail or do it imperfectly. Third party conservatives only split the vote and get Democrats elected.

                    It's not independents sucking things out of races - independents decide races but they do so within the two-party framework. It's third party fringies (like the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party etc.) that suck the winds out of democracy.

                    You do realize that people have been spouting your logic since the beginning of time, don't you? Think after generation after generation, someone might have figured out a way to 'fix it' by now? Maybe there's a sound reason why the system is set up so these fruitcakes can't take control of things...

                      #4.6 - Sat May 8, 2010 9:33 PM EDT
                      ingenjon

                      It seems to me that by your logic, the Roman empire would be ruling today. Sorry Otto. Dont wanna sound like a lib, but it wasnt long ago that the Republicans controlled our government, and for the majority of Americans, nothing good came from it other than a giant redistribution of wealth. Nope, both of the partys that are supposedly representing us are really representing the highest bidder, and I think people like you just want to keep sucking the life out of the middle class. We need a serious change.

                        #4.7 - Sat May 8, 2010 9:52 PM EDT
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                        Rick_VT

                        I voted YES as I interpreted the question to be asking if I'd be open to considering someone outside the 2 existing parties - I am not one to stick to party lines. BUT, my vote doesn't mean I'd vote for anyone that isn't D/R just out of frustration or anger I may feel towards the two existing parties. Any non-D/R candidate would actually have to be better on their own merit for my vote.

                          Reply#5 - Sat May 8, 2010 7:51 PM EDT
                          PivotalAxis

                          I'm glad you caught the caveat of "and it made sense" ;)

                          I am definitely not for blindly throwing votes away out of frustration, but I would definitely love to see the status quo seriously challenged, with candidates representing their constituents first and foremost.

                            #5.1 - Sat May 8, 2010 8:03 PM EDT
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                            PivotalAxis

                            Another nutty idea ;D

                            Would be to have a local PBS stations broadcast 'A Day with Your Candidate' at a local level. Giving all candidates a chance to field questions from the public on issues, for a good block of time.

                            I would love to see candidates field questions while thinking on their feet, vs. having carefully crafted messages, being sold in speeches, ads and MSM commentary. Where a caller can ask 2-3 follow up questions if they want or need clarification. This would almost be like a senate hearing, conducted by the people, before approving the candidate they want to vote for.

                              Reply#6 - Sat May 8, 2010 8:16 PM EDT
                              V. Bevis

                              I'm a registered Libertarian; I want the government out of my life as much as posible. 'Nuff said.

                                Reply#7 - Thu May 20, 2010 8:48 PM EDT
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